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Tuoba Hturt Eht · May 06, 2006, 12:45 AM // 00:45

Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated.

Aye, those who voted Yes or No, perhaps could write something up about why you voted Yes or No?

Tuoba Hturt Eht · May 07, 2006, 01:14 AM // 01:14

Topics get buried fast nowdays.
This topic is less than a day old and it is already buried under the 4th page.
Forgive me for digging up this topic again.
I seek feedback from the public.

Any form of feedback, is much appreciated.
Cheers.

Dougal Kronik · May 09, 2006, 07:26 PM // 19:26

I posted this in another thread - but I think it belongs here.

I think they should include a new type of Faction that you earn from doing any PvP arena. Call it Hero Faction to go along with the theme for the Title <Rank Name> Hero. Use Hero's Faction to unlock PvP.

When they institute this, all Balthazar's Faction becomes Hero Faction and Balthazar's Faction starts at 0.

So you would have:

Hero Faction {Proposed for PvP}
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Balthazar's Faction
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Grenth's Faction {Proposed}
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Luxon Faction
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Kurzick Faction
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Tuoba Hturt Eht · May 13, 2006, 01:57 AM // 01:57

Updated the original post to include Dougal Kronik's suggestion.
Reviving this thread because I want more feedback from the members of this community.

Feedback, in any form, be it positive or negative, is much appreciated.
Thank you for your time.
Cheers.

Renegade ++RIP++ · May 13, 2006, 07:22 AM // 07:22

/signed

Mister Muhkuh · May 13, 2006, 12:09 PM // 12:09

2: yes(the thing with the titles for kurzick/luxon faction redeemed)
the rest:
hmm... as long as u only get the rewards in fow and uw and balthasar thingie not any more in pvp id say its ok(but u should have to do 10+ quests to have enough faction for en ecto/shard)

Tuoba Hturt Eht · May 16, 2006, 10:05 AM // 10:05

Original topic updated to include the recent votes.

Thank you for replying.
Your feedbacks are invaluable and much appreciated.

Feedback, in any form, be it positive or negative, is much appreciated.
Thank you for your time.
Cheers.

Dougal Kronik · May 16, 2006, 03:01 PM // 15:01

I think the accumulation of diety specific faction from quests should be enough so that if you completed all quests you would have enough to trade for 2 or 3 of whichever items are from that domain.

Example:
Complete all quests in the FoW, you would have enough Balthazar's Faction (under the new system) to trade for 3 Obsidian Shards.
Complete all quests in the UW, you would have enough Grenth's Faction (under the new suystem) to trade for 2 Globs of Ectoplasm.

Tuoba Hturt Eht · Jun 01, 2006, 02:38 AM // 02:38

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Originally Posted by Dougal Kronik

I think the accumulation of diety specific faction from quests should be enough so that if you completed all quests you would have enough to trade for 2 or 3 of whichever items are from that domain.

Example:
Complete all quests in the FoW, you would have enough Balthazar's Faction (under the new system) to trade for 3 Obsidian Shards.
Complete all quests in the UW, you would have enough Grenth's Faction (under the new suystem) to trade for 2 Globs of Ectoplasm.

Aye, actually I was thinking about a system which kinda works similiar to the current Kurzick / Luxon faction rewards guy.

For example:
1,000 Grenth's faction for a Glob of Ectoplasm
1,000 Balthazar's Faction for a piece of Obsidian Shard

Undivine · Jun 01, 2006, 08:11 AM // 08:11

I like these ideas. All of them... Except for earning faction for killing things in the underworld. That doesn't quite gel. After all, we don't gain faction for killing Luxons. And it is a bit too easy, even if the reward is miniscule.

But I /sign all 4.

You know, I've done some of those quests in UW (difficult to get people who are willing to do that, but I had guildies). They're actually quite challenging and fun quests. Those Illusionary Weapon ghosts hurt! Too bad I didn't pack my enchant removal.

Anyway, afterwards we talked about builds on how to do certain areas of UW... how about that? UW was actually made interesting rather than the boring farm techniques.

So that's a big yes for earning something for questing in these places.

SpeedyKQ · Jun 01, 2006, 01:48 PM // 13:48

Titles already exist for turning in Luxon and Kurzick faction: Friend of the Luxons/Kurzicks. You only get it for turning in faction for your alliance, and not for armor, but that seems OK to me. People can choose between working towards cool armor, or a cool title.

I like the idea of rewarding high-end questing with something other than XP. I like doing quests, but what am I going to do with my 80th skill point?

I don't see why UW and FoW quest rewards have to be tied to faction. Get rid of shards and ectos as random drops and make them quest rewards.

Queenie · Jun 01, 2006, 03:15 PM // 15:15

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Originally Posted by Tuoba Hturt Eht

Aye, actually I was thinking about a system which kinda works similiar to the current Kurzick / Luxon faction rewards guy.

For example:
1,000 Grenth's faction for a Glob of Ectoplasm
1,000 Balthazar's Faction for a piece of Obsidian Shard

No, it should be 2,000 instead of 1,000 faction for both :|

Tuoba Hturt Eht · Jun 01, 2006, 03:36 PM // 15:36

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Originally Posted by Undivine

Except for earning faction for killing things in the underworld. That doesn't quite gel. After all, we don't gain faction for killing Luxons. And it is a bit too easy, even if the reward is miniscule.

Aye, agreed. I've made the adjustments to the first post.

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You know, I've done some of those quests in UW (difficult to get people who are willing to do that, but I had guildies). They're actually quite challenging and fun quests. Those Illusionary Weapon ghosts hurt! Too bad I didn't pack my enchant removal.

I envy ya, mate. I never really had the chance to do quest in the UW. Perhaps I should join your group some of these days, aye.

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Anyway, afterwards we talked about builds on how to do certain areas of UW... how about that? UW was actually made interesting rather than the boring farm techniques.

Well, I guess that is the point of this thread, to promote players to actually do the many interesting quests in The Underworld, instead of going in there as a 2-man-team of of farmers.

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So that's a big yes for earning something for questing in these places.

Aye, am glad that there is support for this idea.

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Originally Posted by SpeedyKQ

Titles already exist for turning in Luxon and Kurzick faction: Friend of the Luxons/Kurzicks. You only get it for turning in faction for your alliance, and not for armor, but that seems OK to me. People can choose between working towards cool armor, or a cool title.

Aye, I didn't know that when I started this thread. Perhaps I should remove those two?
How about the Balthazar's title? What do ya think of that one?

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I like the idea of rewarding high-end questing with something other than XP. I like doing quests, but what am I going to do with my 80th skill point?

Well, ya can keep em for future releases of Guild Wars, or attempt to learn all the skills on that character.

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I don't see why UW and FoW quest rewards have to be tied to faction. Get rid of shards and ectos as random drops and make them quest rewards.

Well, when we enter Balthazar's or Grenth's domain, the dialog box I read seems to imply that we are performing a service for either Balthazar or Grenth.

We earn Kurzick or Luxon faction by doing favours for them, fighting for them etc.
So I reckon it is reasonable that we earn Balthazar's or Grenth's Faction by completing quests in their domain.

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Originally Posted by Queen Christie

No, it should be 2,000 instead of 1,000 faction for both :|

Aye, that can do. If 1,000 is not suitable, then 2,000 might do just well.

lyra_song · Jun 01, 2006, 03:40 PM // 15:40

1) I agree with this, i PvE and i PvP, so i have all sorts of factions and i love a few of the fow armors.

However i think the cost of shards should be MUCH higher than 1k balth faction per piece, since 1k balth faction is pretty easy to get for any serious PvPer, this of course being based on the fact that 1k Luxon faction = 1 Jadeite. I think a cost of 3k faction per shard (It costs 3k to unlock 1 elite) would be nice and should ONLY be redeemable while in FoW, because shards only drop in FoW.

A purely PvP player would have zero use for this however, and i doubt being located in FoW would matter to them.

2) Theres already Friend of the Luxon and Friend of the Kurzick titles at 250,000 faction points redeemed, so of course this idea makes sense!!

The balthazar faction title would certainly be more than welcome.

3) I like Grenth...hes funny, but i think that GW is setting up for future factions expansions ANYWAY, i mean look at how they divided up the Hero window. I dont know HOW you would properly earn grenth faction though.

4-5) /no Leaving balth faction as PvP only source gives players incentive to PvP. And im always for more PvE/PvP intergration and cause/effect ^_^

Icy Zephyr · Jun 01, 2006, 06:18 PM // 18:18

I like the idea of being able to spend Balthazaar faction on something repeatable like shards or ecto. That would fix one of my biggest frustrations with Prophecies and now Factions -- that being stuck at the Balthazaar faction cap, with everything unlocked, really kills my motivation to PvP.

I like the idea of the title too, but it would probably be pretty irritating for me since in Prophecies, and now also in Factions, I capped/trained/quested all the skills in PvE. That means my total Balthazaar faction got stuck much lower than most, since I maxed out and stopped earning so early. I'd imagine my true total is probably about double what the game records it as since I've done so much PvP without being able to earn faction.

Of course, on the off chance that the game really has been keeping a hidden tally of all that un-earned Balthazaar faction, and they patch my true total in I'd be thrilled. But I doubt it's possible.

Either way I'm in favor of adding a title though. The more titles the better

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Helll is for Heroes · Jun 01, 2006, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by Tuoba Hturt Eht

4. Amendment to Balthazar's Faction
At the moment, Balthazar's Faction can only be by killing, winning in:
- Random Arenas
- Team Arenas
- Heroes Ascent
- Guild vs Guild

As suggested by Dougal Kronik, allow Balthazar's Faction to be gained as quest rewards in Fissure of Woe, since Fissure of Woe is a domain of Balthazar.

no, balthazar faction should only be given to the PvP side of things. I dont see how the heck you correlated Fissure of woe being in the domain of Balthazar should mean you get Balthazar points.
Hey, maybe i should get Balthazar points for using the skills: "Balthazars Aura, Balthazars Spirit" too eh?

-_-;

Stockholm · Jun 01, 2006, 06:30 PM // 18:30

/Signed
Would make Underworld a playeble area not just farmland

LifeInfusion · Jun 01, 2006, 10:22 PM // 22:22

It better have a 5 quest/1 shard 8 quest /1ecto ratio or something close to it.

Polls:
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Do you like these ideas and wish to see them implemented? Yes / No
1. Able to use Balthazar's Faction to redeem Obsidian Shards
Yes, because it is not like shards are that rare anymore anyway.
However, I would think the faction ought to be relatively hard to obtain, perhaps 5000 Balthazar faction per shard and 100 faction obtained per quest.

2. Earn titles based on amount of Balthazar's faction redeemed
Yes, why not. There is rank so why not Balthazar factions for frequent GvGers and Team arena people.

3. Addition of Grenth's Faction
Yes

4. Balthazar's Faction awarded in Fissure of Woe quests
Yes, because it is not farmable. It should be around 100 Balthazar per quest.

5. Current Balthazar's Faction change to Heroes Faction (PvP unlocks)
Leave it, because Balthazar is basically the god of warriors. Too many faction types would make it really cluttered.

Queenie · Jun 02, 2006, 05:48 AM // 05:48

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Originally Posted by Tuoba Hturt Eht

Aye, that can do. If 1,000 is not suitable, then 2,000 might do just well.

1,000 is to easy

Why not make it 5,000?

Tuoba Hturt Eht · Jun 03, 2006, 01:40 AM // 01:40

With reference to the above screenshot taken yesterday, let's take the average market values of

1. Amber / Jadite ~ 2,000 gold
2. Obsidian Shards twice that amount ~ 4,000 gold
3. Globs of Ectoplasm twice again ~ 8,000 gold

Now, Amber / Jadite can be redeemed for 1,000 Kurzick / Luxon faction, based off the market values of the Shards and Ectos, I propose that:

2,000 Balthazar's Faction for x1 piece of Obsidian Shard
4,000 Grenth's Faction for x1 Glob of Ectoplasm

I feel that this would be a reasonable amount, not too low, not too high.

Regarding the quests rewards in Balthazar's or Grenth's Faction, 100 per quest is far too little, I suggest that the harder the quest, the more faction rewarded, ranging from 400 for easy quests, to 1,000 for harder quests.

As suggested by lyra_song, players can only redeem the Obsidian Shards and Globs of Ectoplasm in their respective realms.

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

However i think the cost of shards should be MUCH higher than 1k balth faction per piece, since 1k balth faction is pretty easy to get for any serious PvPer, this of course being based on the fact that 1k Luxon faction = 1 Jadeite. I think a cost of 3k faction per shard (It costs 3k to unlock 1 elite) would be nice and should ONLY be redeemable while in FoW, because shards only drop in FoW.

Added your suggestion to the first post, aye. Anyway, would 2,000 suffice?

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2) Theres already Friend of the Luxon and Friend of the Kurzick titles at 250,000 faction points redeemed, so of course this idea makes sense!!

I have somewhat modified that idea, review and comment, aye.

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3) I like Grenth...hes funny, but i think that GW is setting up for future factions expansions ANYWAY, i mean look at how they divided up the Hero window. I dont know HOW you would properly earn grenth faction though.

Why, through quests rewards in Grenth's domain, of course.

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Originally Posted by Helll is for Heroes

no, balthazar faction should only be given to the PvP side of things. I dont see how the heck you correlated Fissure of woe being in the domain of Balthazar should mean you get Balthazar points.
Hey, maybe i should get Balthazar points for using the skills: "Balthazars Aura, Balthazars Spirit" too eh?

First of all, when we enter the domain of Balthazar, the Fissure of Woe, we are doing a duty for Balthazar. We earn faction for helping the Kurzicks / Luxons, logically it would make sense that we earn faction for helping Balthazar resolving the issues in his domain.

No, I think it would be very silly if we earned Balthazar's Faction by using those 2 skills.

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

Would make Underworld a playeble area not just farmland

Agreed, that is the whole purpose of this thread, to make The Under World and the Fissure Of Woe into what they really are made for, a quest land, not a farmland.

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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

It better have a 5 quest/1 shard 8 quest /1ecto ratio or something close to it.

Well, I was thinking of adopting a system simliar to the current Kurzicks / Luxons factions and quests that offers their respective factions. Refer to my reply at the top of this post.

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Yes, because it is not like shards are that rare anymore anyway.
However, I would think the faction ought to be relatively hard to obtain, perhaps 5000 Balthazar faction per shard and 100 faction obtained per quest.

I think 5,000 Balthazar's faction per shard is way too expensive, and 100 faction per quest is way too little. Balthazar's Faction earned from quest rewards should be based on how easy or hard that quest is, ranging from 400 for easy quests and up to 1,000 for harder quests.

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Yes, because it is not farmable. It should be around 100 Balthazar per quest.

I still think 100 per quest is too little. Should be based on difficulty of the quest.

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Originally Posted by Queen Christie

1,000 is to easy

Why not make it 5,000?

2,000 Balthazar's Faction for x1 piece of Obsidian Shard and 4,000 Grenth's Faction for x1 Glob of Ectoplasm, how that sound to ya?